8 Edison 10" Disc Lot #97: Cat#s 50860 51086 50893 51602 51506 51026 50907 51141
Sold Date:
July 26, 2024
Start Date:
February 25, 2024
Final Price:
$18.60
(USD)
Seller Feedback:
2596
Buyer Feedback:
0
Eight Edison 10" Discs Lot #97 Comments:
Just in case you are unaware, I want to mention that Edison discs will be damaged if not played on the special equipment required. They can't be safely played using your standard 78 record player's stylus. Since I don't have the means to play Edison Records I can only tell you and show you what they look like.
I made no attempt to clean any of these. The person who buys this lot needs to be willing to spend the time required to safely clean these records. Of course, it is possible that some dirt/stains will be resistant to cleaning attempts.
Most of the records are decent looking, but since I did not clean or play test, the records are sold as is with no guarantee of playability. I wouldn't have included any of these in this lot if I didn't think they were winners in some sense. You never know for sure how well any record will play until you actually play it though. It's possible you might find one or more clunkers in this lot even after you get them cleaned up.
What Is Included: Please see the photos for song titles and other details. The catalog numbers of the records included, along with some notes are shown below. Not every little flaw is noted, so see photos too:
51141 (1923?) V+, edge chip. R-side label fell off but is included. There are dirt spots on that label 50907 (1922) V+, large scratch 51026 (1922) E-, Edge flakes, R-side label lifted/torn at 2 o'clock position and may snag or come loose. 51506 (1925) V+ 51602 (1925) Looks E- under the dirty 50893 (1921) E- 51086 (1922) V+ 50860 (early 1920s?) V+, edge flakes
Record Condition (For the Eyes): The VJM grades are shown above. It's hard to accurately grade uncleaned/unplayed records so my grades might need revised up or down after the buyer does clean and play the records. Some of these records have edge flakes/chips that don't intrude into the playing surface. Some have scratches along with the typical lighter scuffs. Some records have dirt and stains on the surfaces. I can't describe every flaw, so please zoom in on the photos to do your own examination. Please closely examine the many photos provided and zoom in to get the condition details.
Record Condition (For the Ears): No play-test was possible.
Labels Condition: Condition varies - see photos.
Sleeve Type and Condition: Housed in new Bags Unlimited white kraft paper sleeves.
Please see the photos for more info and a look at condition. Use your zoom-in powers for a real close look.
Shipping Notes: I'm an expert record packer, if I do say so myself! Rest assured that I know what I'm doing when it comes to packing shellac records for safe shipping. These will be securely bundled. This stack of records weighs a bit after being packed. There is no way to get around paying the postage cost for all of that weight.
A word on costs for safely shipping shellac 78 RPM records: They are fragile and easily breakable. (You know that!) If shipped in packaging that would be perfectly safe for a vinyl record, the chance of breakage is pretty good. I pack shellac 78's in an oversize box. The record is sandwiched between custom corrugated cardboard pads. The padded record is wrapped in bubble wrap for shock absorption. The whole bundle is surrounded by other padding such as wadded newspaper, packing peanuts and/or air pillows for a safe journey through the postal system. Proper packing materials cost me a bundle per package and the costs keep going up. On top of that, another pile of money is needed to buy the USPS media mail postage. Shipping costs are very real and add up to more than most people realize. It might not be apparent to you, but the amount that I ask you to pay for shipping is actually less than what it actually costs me to ship a record.
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M y G r a d i n g M e t h o d f o r 7 8 r p m R e c o r d s : Grades assigned to 78's shouldn't be confusing, but some confusion exists. The Goldmine Magazine grading system is commonly used for LPs and 45's, but the Vintage Jazz Mart Magazine (VJM) grading system is commonly used for 78's. Buyers accustomed to VJM grading might mistakenly interpret Goldmine grades for 78s in an unfairly negative way. VJM grades tend to give a more positive impression than corresponding Goldmine grades.
I make use of both grading systems. The reason I use both systems is because Ebay only allows Goldmine grading values for "item specifics". Since many 78 buyers expect VJM grades, I also include a VJM grade in comments along with the corresponding Goldmine grade in the Ebay item specifics. I use Goldmine grading for sleeves.
I always add descriptive comments that hopefully make the condition more clear.
COMMENTS IN THE DESCRIPTION ARE A PART OF THE GRADE. Buyers should be able to make informed decisions based on the letter grade, comments, photos and sound samples (if provided).
THE GRADE LISTED IN THE "ITEM SPECIFICS" SECTION IS THE GOLDMINE/EBAY GRADE. THE VJM GRADE IS SHOWN IN DESCRIPTION AND CONDITION NOTES ONLY.
Record grading is heavily reliant on physical appearance, but also takes the sound of the record into consideration. That is why I play-test all 78s before assigning a final grade. (If no play-test was done, then the visual-only grade should be considered provisional, not final.) The play-test can slightly raise or lower the grade derived by visual inspection. For instance, a record might look E- but sound E+ and end up graded E. Some level of general background record surface noise is expected with 78s even when surfaces look really good. General background record surface noise only lowers a grade if it seems excessive for the visual condition. I always comment on the level of background surface noise heard during my play tests. Record label condition is also noted and can, but doesn't necessarily, affect grade.
The VJM record grading System vs. The Goldmine record grading system (This is my interpretation / adaptation of the guidelines. The attempt at mapping VJM grades to Goldmine grades is my own and is probably not perfect.)
N (VJM) vs. M (Goldmine). New and unplayed (rarely used since it is next to impossible to assert "unplayed" for unsealed records).
N- (VJM) vs. NM or M- (Goldmine). Looks very close to perfect, but may have been played. Signs of wear or damage are negligible. Any extremely small imperfections should be noted.
E+ (VJM) vs. EX (Goldmine). Looks and plays extremely well with only light signs of handling and light wear. There may be very light, superficial scuffs / marks. Record surface noise is typically negligible but may be reasonably mild if noted.
E (VJM) vs. VG+ (Goldmine). Glossy with mostly insignificant signs of wear like light surface scuffs or small blemishes whose effect on play is minimal. Small blemishes, such as a tiny shellac pimple, that might be heard for a few revolutions could exist but usually will be noted.
E- (VJM) vs. VG (Goldmine). E- represents a higher end average grade for a 78. Retains some shine but may have a more significant covering of light surface scuffs and a few light scratches. Record surface noise is more noticeable but the record plays fine and the music can be enjoyed.
V+ (VJM) vs. VG- (Goldmine). V+ represents a lower end average grade for a 78. Scuffs, light scratches and general use has dulled the finish somewhat. Wear is moderate to mildly heavy. Distortion and distractions while playing are not overwhelming. Surface noise is heard but the music is not buried by it. Still, no skips or repeats during play.
V (VJM) vs. G+ (Goldmine). Moderately heavy wear, but still very playable. Surface noise and scratches are more audible, possibly competing with the music levels, but not overtaking them.
V- (VJM) vs. G (Goldmine). Quite playable still, but distortion and heavy greying may be evident especially in louder passages. Surface noise and scratches may be quite loud, competing with the music for attention, but the music can still be heard well enough to be enjoyed. The listener may be required to tolerate heavier surface noise.
G+, G-, G (VJM) vs. G- (Goldmine). Different degrees of a grade for records with thoroughly dulled surfaces and probably lots of scuffs and scratches. Can still be played without skips or sticks. The music might be nearly buried in surface noise but can certainly be heard.
Grades of F and P are reserved for records that are in very, very bad shape that play with more serious issues. I will almost never bother to offer records with F or P grades for sale. With rare exceptions, nobody wants them.
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